Maybe she wanted to buy drugs. And he grew up there. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. The poor jury went along and Jagger did not put much ofa defense anyway. Im glad you continued to look for more information as time went on. They said so and were told to go back to deliberate. Her children were obviously more severely injuredbecause being captive in the car while a shooter aimed at them gave them less of a chance to wiggle out of the situation than an adult outside the car. Oh 1 more thing I see a lot of comments on pro Diane web sights that say well she drove them to the hospital. In 1991, David Brewer, a juror who deliberated Dianes fate in her 1984 trial, came forward to say he and another juror had decided to acquit Downs by the close of the States presentation. Id like to challenge some of the bloggers claims. She attacked her husband and ripped his neck open in a jealous rage (Appendix 81, page 1520), tearing from his neck the gold chain he still wore from his first marriage (a gift from his first wife). I do not have to put any statement advising people that I am about to present the neglected aspects of the trial. Like I said, the 2 years make it a bit more of a gray area. I might not have put enough information to your liking, but I stuck to what came out at trial and not the fantasy factory coming from the state, the media and Rule. Anyway, it takes a good scrubbing with soap and water to get rid of gun powder residues and doing so with only one arm would be quite difficult. Mr. The inconsistencies and obvious lack of evidence in this case should have called for a wider investigation instead of solely focusing on their prime suspect. Then, they accused her of shooting her kids at close range. It is documented in the blog where I give the source In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. The unreliability of childrens testimony has been documented by cognitive psychologists such as Elizabeth Loftus of the University of Cornell and others. I have researched the case and pointed out discrepancies and the fact that it was not the slam dunk that they were portraying. Ruger #14-76187; described as the gun used by Diane and belonging to Steve Downs, was not the murder weapon. And with hindsight, the fact that this young mother had a personality disorder probably brought a lot of drama to the mix. It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession: inflammatory it also isnt right that the rules get to keep being changed after the fact as far as how often one may apply for parole. The State had the same gut feeling and made sure she would pay. Due process always matters. This video has Dianes attorney, Jim Jagger, at 1 minutes and 20 seconds that might have some good shots. She even became a surrogate mother to make money and provide two parents the opportunity to have a child. The trial was a whole miscarriage, that seems undeniable. It appears that you have to be a perfect mother with no lovers and not afflicted with any mental illness to be considered innocent until proven guilty in America. I think u need to read the facts. In case you did not read the blog: During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath. The bitches own daughter identified Downs as the shooter. The fact that she was driving five miles per hour to the hospital says it all as a mother myself, I dont care how hurt or mentally damaged I was, I would drive that car 100 MPH to get my children to safety. For all my life I have thought I was not that smart, but now I can tell myself, hey cheer up could be worse. Anyways. Farrah had trouble with the law because of a passionate love affair with a movie director. why didn't steve downs get custodylagu sekolah minggu bahasa inggris Opinion Fox News's blackout of Jan. 6 points to a hidden crisis for Democrats The not-so-shocking revelation that Fox News will not carry House committee hearings about the insurrection is yet another sign that right-wing media will go to extraordinary lengths to shield . A very reasonable request that was rejected. It isnt there all the time. I watched and worried through her escapeto find her childrens real attackerthat bushy haired stranger . N u pleaded guilty of murdering ur husband. Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. By the way, that interview with Christie by a biased advocate named Angel borders on abusive. But I am more than willing to review any new info. They both fainted when they saw their dead child, but it did not count. She waseighteen and soon realized that she had jumped from the fire into the frying pan. In 1991, David Brewer, a juror who deliberated Dianes fate in her 1984 trial, came forward to say he and another juror had decided to acquit Downs by the close of the States presentation. The men in her life were in no shape or form called on their irresponsible or wild behavior. I like the way you keep an open mind about Diane herself and what she may or may not have been going through mentally. Q. She was interrogated without a representative from the defense and was not taped for the most part. Did CK shoot at car when DD drove away? Much worse. Considering the lack of evidence, it seems that she was condemned mostly because of herinappropriatestatements and behavior. If you shoot at least 6 inches from a victim, you see what is around you in the car. As for where he is now, we'll be honest, we're not completely sure. As I stated towards the beginning of my response, Im taking issue with the blog and the subjective language used. It sounds like this was not the case with Dianes children. Common sense will tell this Court, when Diane accidently slammed her mangled arm into the steering wheel of Detective Tracys car, it was ANYTHING but a laughing matter. Instead, it is Diane who fought to keep her children. Late Tom Billings had been the first who openly questioned Diane Downs guilt. Then they just got shut out. In an earlier comment you stated that Diane had met all of the requirements for parole. Just state that at the beginning of the blog. Maybe because of her notoriety and the victims were children. She has been in prison for so long that we dont know what her mental health situation is so it is a moot point for me. That wasn't all that stood in their way, as Diane eventually ran away from home. I accept that it is sometimes necessary but I believe in rehabilitation. Then ask yourself if thats how you want your son to grow up. In 1992 I became involved in this work following my interest and research into a notorious murder trial that was held in Oregon many years ago. She should have had the lawyer of her choice and if they wanted to charge her with the crimes, they should have stuck with what evidence and circumstances they had. 2 years in foster care waiting to be legally free for adoption is not that uncommon even today. Hugi did not want that. Diane then replied, so, put her back on the stand and make her tell the truth. He said he would when it was his turn, but never did. That didnt seem right so we wrote a letter to Mr Hugi with a request for visitation rights. In hindsight Im sure the grandparents wish they had pursued visitation more aggressively. Same with her brother. In fact, Knick admits Diane took that gold chain as collateral against a $500 LOAN she made to him. I am so tired of the victims being forgotten. Some would say that Diane Downs was condemned because of her lies and inconsistencies, but I think that it was mostly because of her disturbing demeanor and brash personality. In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. You didnt know that?? These are no facts its partial truths and conjecture. The towel and a girl who had a stroke, was separated from her family and was constantly questioned without being recorded or accompanied by a loved one and testifying to facts that do not match the testimony of the forensic expert is not being reduced to conjecture? Can you imagine your little boy growing up to beat to death (with his bare hands and boots) Is she referring to her ex husband? So it would be logical to conclude that it would have left residues if anyone had shot at least 6 times. Clickhere to read about faulty ballistics.. Which is itself a redundant practise: the blogger repeatedly states that Downs should be released. Celebrity Author Covers Case Ann Rule wrote 'Small Sacrifices,' later released as a movie. Even if I have no doubt that Hugi loved the kids, we have to wonder why he adopted them two years later just when little Christie started saying she had no clue who shot them. We cant. This is also what the state did to her. Either way he could NOT have seen who shot him unless he has eyes in the back of his head. Mr. Diane Downs is no exception. 2. The powers that be knew they had nothing on Diane so Christie became their sacrificial lamb. I saw that same face in Diane Downs. As you might know, Dianes father passed away after many years of anguish over the fate of his daughter. No conflict of interest from a prosecutor adopting a defendants children 2 years after the fact? And other inmates were released with worst backgrounds. Yes, but it is a fact that she was starting to say that she did not know who shot them when it happened. And that Ann Rule took advantage of the situation to sell her book. It was kind of interesting to hear Mossimo Giannullis lawyer pleading to have his client sent home or put in general population because his mental health suffered drastically in solitary confinement because of covid after 56 consecutive days in solitary. A prosecutor inventing a new psychiatric category in court and labeling the accused is kind of unsettling. So, were there any other attempted carjackings in the area that night? This article is about due process and the legal right to a fair trial for everyone. The State produced a witness (Ms. Patterson) to testify that Diane Downs entered the hospital bathroom, left the door open, and ran water in the sink (Appendix 87, page 476). Most people described Dianes injury as minor or superficial but in reality, it was a very serious injury. I do not declare her innocent. Diane doesnt believe Rebecca is her daughter, rather a media puppet ran by Rule. They were in a difficult situation becausewithout evidence, they could notcharge her for the crime. She was the prosecutions only hope. ..it is quite possible if she was tried in todays world, with the evidence they hadquite possible it would of went differentlywe been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence provenprobably over 10 years or longer, people expect trials to be that of a law and order TV show..I cant say thats a bad thing, or makes what happened in the 80s on back bad. I worked for county child welfare services in Colorado for a decade. I think DD is guilty, but I also think her trial was far from due process, and that is the important issue. Robert and Diane even decided toget matching rose tattoos, but as soon as the ink on her tattoo was dry, he refused to get his done. Diane, of her own admission, had plenty of affairs while she worked at the Post Office. Washing soda is your best bet: It includes, among its ingredients, the exceedingly corrosive carbolic acid. What this is evidence of is one more piece of the overwhelming amount of bias that was involved from the start of the case. What is known for a fact, is, Prosecutor Fred Hugi took physical custody of Christie and Danny shortly after Christies confessions to her school mates, and he officially adopted them in the summer of 1986. The endorsement was so strong, in fact, that some interpreted it as a roundabout trade request. Even prosecutor Fred Hugi was seen walking the grounds to try to find the weapon. This is basically the book best kept secrets in condensed form full of outlandish theories. At first I thought she did it, now I made further research and I dont know what to think. I will talk to Dianes brother. Are her parents still living (I know they were a few years ago)? He still shouldnt have been allowed to adopt them while the appeals process was ongoing, if he had any role in those cases. Considering the circumstances, it is difficult not to be a bit cynical about this grand gesture: relevance? I hope she is granted parole. The very suspicious aspect of this ballistic saga is that Hugi said they had the bill of sale and serial number for the first Ruger and it was definitely the murder weapon. She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. The chief prosecutor adopting the children beggars belief! A test for the presence of gunshot residue conducted on Dianes hands the night of the shooting, returned a negative result (Appendix 23). The twosome first crossed paths in 2003 when Shahi. Criminalist James Pex was pretty clear about this. You cannot skip due process because of mob mentality. Even if they say that she did not get involved in rehabilitation programs, she did participate, but obviously did not admit to killing her daughter and injuring the others. Q. Her father passed away in October 2017 after having fought relentlessly for her release. Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya. Once again, Diane said a lot of things. . It kinda scared me, the thought that mommy could shoot me, like this mommy did. Thanks Kit, It is a bit of a mystery to me that not more people see that if we removed the high profile name and the accompanying media storm, the case was no slam dunk. Actor Robert Blake was found not guilty of the shooting murder of his wife. It was also said at trial that the shooter would have been left handed, which was not the case for Diane. I cannot be more transparent than that and integrity was one of the missing pieces of the entire case. People tend to forget that the group of young women hanging out with Manson were deeply engaged in serious drug use and totally out of their mind at the time. Her other daughter and son were severely injured. Usually it isnt there but every once in awhile, it comes out. The Case of Liysa Northon Who Said True Crime Does not Pay? And how the letters became so bizarre, paranoid and psychotic that she told Diane to stop writing her. This blog is riddled with inconsistencies, suppositions and a lack of the most basic referencing (e.g. I always welcome new information, evidence and opinions if they have a strong base and are not mean spirited, but I dont get the relevance of this comment to the case itself. You left and you and Diane Downs spent an evening at a motel? The way Christie was coached did not correspond to the reality of the direct evidence. I dont understand how the family court managed to isolate 2 severely traumatized and grievously injured children from their entire family. The case NEVER made sense to me. They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business. It could have been very different at almost any other time or with any other attorneys or juries too. Most get through it fine, maybe some complications or pain, maybe even some post pardum. No conflict of interest there? Justice is all that is left. We make them president. Mr. It does not get any bigger than this. But to convince this young and vulnerable girl to turn on her mother, they needed to isolate her from her family and work relentlessly on her confession.. A demonstration in court strongly suggested: Suggested, not confirmed. BUT the babies were put in Foster Care before any allegations were made Family has defended and backed Diane for her Innocence clearly from day one The state took them away from all family because family was and is the enemy I am a strong believer that pregnancy can do serious harm to some women. When Dianes youngest daughter, who was adopted after being taken away by the state, found out who her real mother was and decided to reach out to her, the media and Rule grabbed hold of her to promote their agenda. She wanted a lawyer to defend her vigorously but the judge stopped her from getting good representation. Right after the shooting, little Danny would ask the nurses, , Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that, Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. Speculative. Why would anyone think Christie could remember the night of the shooting anyway?? She repeated it years later at school. As for how to answer this question,,, seems like he is assuming guilt and because of this my parents or me or my brothers and sister, our uncles and aunts were not considered because of an unproven allegation Does he truly believe this is ok??? You were not there and one thing I have learned about high profile cases, is that you cannot always believe what the media, biased detectives and Ann Rule have to say. A. I dont recall telling her to get an apartment. They rarely are, especially in the US. The harm done to families by unscrupulous district attorneys who bully children into falsely testifying against their parents has been recorded in a documentary called Witch Hunt by Sean Penn about Kern County (CA) District Attorney Ed Jagels. If you had commented on one of the elements contained in the blog, it might have been enlightening. Doing it without witnesses when she was so sick is underhanded. In the spring of 1986, Christie confided to school mates that shed been coerced to lie in court, to implicate her mother (Appendix 1-2). Instead, the person accused of attacking them and wanting them out of her life, fought for them. You hit the nail on the head by stating that in the US especially, they seem to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. It has become entertainment and there can only be good, bad and evil. Fingerprints at the crime scene were not produced by the State. Diane found with him,the kind of relationship she had never known before: there was actually care and intimacy involved. And they kept at her and made suggestions when she would not implicate her mom. On a side note, what do you think of parole of Leslie Van Houton? All the years in prison probably made her way more disturbed than she ever was. 3 yr. ago. Ur not showing facts that Ann Rule lied n misled n ruined lives with. In 1979, headstrong Diane gave birth to Danny who was not Stevens biological son because he had no desire to be a father again. They lied about the ballistics. And even when confronted by the wrongful practices used at trial to get her convicted, are ok with her being locked up for life. You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. The police admitting on the stand that after 2 weeks, they stopped looking at suspects appears to be a fact. Click here to read the complaint. Nobody ignored Dianes demeanor. She is supposed to be locked up for murder, etc. My guess is the grandparents were so overwhelmed with Dianes case that they let the system take care of the kids at first. Christie became the star witness against her mother and who could resist such a touching testimony? Everyone in the world can believe something. Also, aside from her original mental state, which may or may not excuse her aloofness (doesnt prove shes a killer by the way! The Parole Board had an obligation to parole Diane between 1998 and 2002 if she could provide reasonable cause to show she was not a danger to society. Contemporary family finding principles argue that a child is best nurtured by parents, then immediate family members, extended family members, spiritual family (Godparents), close friends, etc. In 1999, a Board Certified Psychiatrist practicing in Oakland, California wrote a letter to the parole board on behalf of Diane Downs to explain how things had changed since 1984 when she was diagnosed with a severe personality disorder. He did not consider her a risk factor at all and believed she would do well if released into society, because she had no prior history of violence and never had a problem with violence or bad behavior while incarcerated. What was the justification? Dianes brother, James, sat in court one day andnoticed Foote looking at Hugi before ruling on an objection. I mean if a guy admits to killing children over and over, shouldnt we pay attention to that? She was expelled and reunited with him against her parents wishes. How ironic that the court and cops were so quick to believe Steve Downs, but he gave up on his own children after the tragedy. The prosecutor and his wife adopted both children that survived and although the boy is paralyzed and in a wheelchair, they trived with their new parents. Teams of people and detectives combed the area for months looking for the gun but it was nowhere to be found. So yes I think she did it, I think ration left her a long before she did itI think post pardum played in this, I think, she was scattered all over the map.againjust hearing it in her own words. That testimony was left unchallenged by Mr. Jagger. Someone can have an evil vibe and not be guilty of a crime. When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. She had a bullet wound in the arm, and the three kids in the back of the blood-soaked car had all been shot at close range. Robert Schlosser, Cathy's father, lives in a 900 . As usual, Diane had resorted to the soothing comfort of a pregnancy to pretend life would get better; she would create a nest around her, come hell or high water. Her three small children, Christie, 8; Cheryl, 7; and Danny, 3 . She was harshly judged because of her demeanor. (He WAS shot in the back remember). If Oregonians were not all convinced at first, the media and the crown made sure they would be. But strangely, they took no photos of the crime scene and did not lift fingerprints from the drivers side of the car. It does seem time has done worse to her. So not addressing the content of the blog and rambling about everything else while asking for a disclaimer is nailing it? No other shooter involved in her case. It took months to get Christie to say that her mother was the culprit and that is when they arrested Diane. The whole case is crazy. But for what it is worth, I believe she tried to kill her 3 kids. Wednesday, March 1, 2023: Today on General Hospital, Obrecht is furious with both Liz and Scott, Finn offers to stand by Liz, and Sonny and Dex bond over a meal. They claimed to have found two lead cartridges in Dianes rifle at home that supposedly matched the ones used during the crime. More reason to have investigated the case more thoroughly. And yes, its your site, but dont act like a site is open for discussion if its not. If you have an opinion on drugging a child to make her talk, a judge presiding over a criminal case when he was in family court and removed the children from the defendants or the forensics, ballistic, etc. Lack of impulse control is also another symptom that might explain why a mother would stop at night to help a stranger flagging her on the road. Hello. She threw her keys yet was able to take off right away?? I look forward to reading your other blogs. But I am so tired of the enough time has been served and other criminals have been paroled. She is nowhere near being paroled and if she admitted guilt, I am not even convinced they would release her. To Lisa Griggs this is your 2nd quote which contradicts the first one .. Lets not forget that she was presumed to have fired a gun 6 times at close range within the confines of a small car. It seems that not being American might help us view the case and Rules narrative with more objectivity. There is her story, the prosecution case and the defense arguments. Surprisingly, Fred Hugi actually looks quite different. Diane now had the title of dangerous offender. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI: Downs lawyer at the time should have objected as the term was non existent. Jump through the States hoops, or find a noose around your neck. She has been denied parole 2x and is up again in 2020. Steve knew Danny was not his biological child and left Downs. 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